Follow-up: Golang Quirk: Number-strings starting with "0" are Octals— Kaushal Modi
Follow-up post to my earlier post on octals in Golang – Feedback to reactions that varied from ridicule to helpfulness to empathy.
This is a post in the “Golang Octals” series.
|2018-04-23||Follow-up: Golang Quirk: Number-strings starting with "0" are Octals|
|2018-04-18||Golang Quirk: Number-strings starting with "0" are Octals|
First of all—I get it. Golang is not the only language that has this odd behavior related to octals. But following the foot-steps of ancestor languages in this particular aspect does not mean that Golang is doing the Right Thing(TM).
I got many interesting comments at:
Here are some highlights.
- zcdopizocioics from Hacker News
strconvfunction simply acts in the same manner as the language does, see https://play.golang.org/p/rg0VwhCDVB_C. The idea for
strconvoriginates in c (see atoi etc), and c also has 0-octal notation. Go is simply mimicing c in this regard.
My reply – I just wished the octals needed a stricter prefix like “0o” as they are not very common compared to decimal and hex (in my experience at least).
- karmakaze from Hacker News
- A better solution is to always provide the
base (e.g. 10) rather than using 0 if you don’t want special
interpretation of ‘0x’ and ‘0’ prefixes. That should be in
Hugo. The problem is not with the golang library which was well
documented and always worked as such. By placing any blame on the
golang library, there’s less incentive to fix Hugo.
My reply – That’s a valid point. I have made that suggestion to the Hugo devs. Someone on Reddit also suggested using
ParseInt(). I have added to the suggestion too.
- /u/shekelharmony from Reddit
- This isn’t really a quirk of Go - the
documentation says exactly how
strconv.ParseInt()works, and you would only get that behavior by intentionally setting the second argument to 0. If you’re always working with decimals, you might use
strconv.Atoi()instead since it only takes one argument. You could say it’s a quirk of Hugo though, since it sounds like they don’t have a function for parsing decimals at all.
My reply – .. I’ll definitely forward your suggestion with the Hugo dev team. (I then do that, which I linked above.)
- /u/FascinatedBox from Reddit
- Java and C both have this and it’s
incredibly stupid. Every once in a while some noob thinks that
leading zeroes don’t matter (they shouldn’t). So they write a
number like 0123 and it doesn’t come out to 123 but there is
nothing you can look up to figure out why. There’s no function
you’re calling to say “okay, why is function X doing this
transformation?” It’s really not hard to have some sort of a
prefix. We have a prefix for binary numbers when languages have
that. We have one for hex. Why not octal. My language uses
0cto denote octal so that people don’t accidentally fall into this trap. I added that in precisely because I saw someone in a programming class get burned by accidental octal. I knew what the problem was right away, because I’m a PL nerd. But a lot of people don’t want octal, and they certainly aren’t expecting it.
My reply – Thank you. Exactly my point.. We have prefixes for binary and hexadecimal. So I find it odd that octal is given a special treatment by it not needing a prefix! And Golang was created in 2009; it shouldn’t have blindly ported that from C. And who IS writing octal literals today, so furiously, in so much abundance, that they cannot afford using a normal prefix like
0o? Kudos to Python for obsoleting the
0octal prefix in lieu of
0oin Python 3.
- /u/stone_henge from Reddit
- poor guy, he just goes on and on about it
forever, no way for anyone to step in in the middle of it and
point out to him that he’s being dumb.
My reply – Yup. Poor, dumb, me.
- /u/Noughmad from Reddit
- The handling of octal numbers in C is
stupid, I have been bitten by it especially when trying to align
multiple numbers with a different number of digits. There should
be some non-digit identifier (and not O because it looks to much
like 0 in a fixed-width font) used for specifying octal numbers,
like x for hexadecimal and now b for binary. But once again, C
gets a pass because it was made over 40 years ago. Go doesn’t
have this excuse.
My reply – Thank you. Exactly.
- /u/pingpong from Reddit
- Relevant golang bugs, where people try to
fix octal: golang issue #22671, golang issue #151, golang issue
My reply – Great! So I am not alone.
You can enjoy more of such comments by visiting the Reddit thread linked above.
I would though welcome constructive comments below, or if you prefer, at one of those reddit/HN threads linked above.
Golang is a modern language born in 2009. It could have fixed this by
requiring a more logical prefix like
0o for Octals. Or can it
At least I hope that parsing of numbers in front-matter in Hugo gets fixed as it’s unlikely for folks to use octal numbers there.